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Please remove ohio state's girl scout camp song from the list... Nothing against their band though

My favorites: Tennstedt, Haitink, Bernstein.

Shostakovich 1rst Symphony has that iconic timpani solo at the end. C to D to Eflat roll

Thanks Gil. The "Muddle Instead of Music" you refer to was a Pravda article about his opera "Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk," after Stalin attended a performance and left after the first act. This caused Shostakovich to withdraw the 4th from its scheduled performance in Leningrad in December 1936. He no doubt had visions of being shipped off to Siberia in the middle of the night (or worse). It was premiered well after Stalin's death, in 1961.

Wouldn't it be a good idea to mention if and how many repeats are made.? They make a big difference to Schubert- not only in terms of time.

I am enjoying all your videos. Nielsen is one of my top favorite composers. Thanks for the mention of the older recordings of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th symphonies. They are new to me, even though I am familiar with many other more contemporary ones. Thanks!

I think I would add the Janet Baker/Barbirolli recording of the Ruckert Lieder They also did a wonderful "Songs of A Wayfarer" which could be considered the reference recording.

Gil....what an interesting video and as is apparent from some of the comments, one that poses different opinions. I look at music like all art forms as a personal matter and like you make clear, we are all individuals with our own opinions. For me there are no reference recordings, only those that I prefer over others. As you say, you do not need a degree to understand what your ears hear! Everyone but everyone cites Kleibers Beethoven 5 as the pinnacle....is it...really? Not for me. No doubt in 1974 it was groundbreaking...but much water has passed under many bridges since. Certainly the period performance movement effectively changed the perception of how music of a certain era is performed. Personal choice dictates whether you like or dislike the interpretation. I will be honest and say, I prefer it but thats not to say I disregard all else. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of recordings of the fifth and for me, my preferred choices do not include Kleiber! Additionally, for me, I prefer my Bruckner, Gunter Wand style. My Dvorak ninth is a little known recording. The LPO with Zdenek Macal... I could go on but I am sure you understand my view. Enjoy your listening everyone...whatever your choice may be!

Excellent your program. I agree with You, Furtwangler 1942 is the best..

by the way the 'd' stands for Deutsch - after the surname of the guy who catalogued them...

Lots of good stuff! For the Unfinished I would personally substitute the Jochum/Boston Sym one on DG. Kleiber’s 8th is fine, of course, but the 3rd coupled with it is rather strange. Jochum’ s comes with a wonderful Mozart 41st. There have been lots of live Casals Prades festival recordings issued (my Music and Arts) but these Columbia releases were done after the live performances in studio sessions. For a long time I thought the were live too. There is a live Casals Schubert Quintet with the Vegh Quartet….I actually find that the more interesting performance despite a few slips. Agreed about Hollywood Quartet, but we’ll have to ask Warner, not EMI (they can’t even use the EMI logo or name now!). Cheers.

I'd also say Schiff is best for Schubert d935 no1. Katsaris for d 946 no. 2. Horowitz for d899 no. 3. The great g major quartet - the Melos quartet. I'd also say quintet the Belcea quartet for the soaring first violin in the 1st movement of the quintet. Alban quartet is good, too for d956. For d959 - Kocsis. For d958 - Charlie Albright. Horowitz for d96o (he does the ff trills). I do some Schubert pastiches here on my channel by the way: ua-cam.com/play/PLYUhuuvIrJm0Z7vc1Olxvs1cOLMfuSo4I.html

Not remotely interested in mono recordings. Pre Cambrian recordings are so poor - the instruments are as if fanta tastes like orange juice.

As a 'reference' consensual, whatever, recording of the C Maj String Quintet, surely Alban Berg & Heinrich Schiff on EMI Classics, and for the D960 Brendel on Phillips?

Pity you left out No, 7 and 8

What happened to 7 and 8???? You jump from Barbirolli's 5th and 6th to Walter's 9th.

Bruno Walter himself referred to his live 1938 VPO recording of Mahler's 9th as "deeply unsatisfactory." And that it is. The performance took place in January of that year, just before the Anschluss and Walter’s expulsion from Austria. In view of that, and a heaping helping of hindsight, this slapdash, sonically and musically insensitive reading is invested-for some-with “unique” tension and excitement; qualities which otherwise no critical listener would describe. This recording is best left forgotten, and certainly never be touted as a "great," "recommended," "consensus," or even a "must-listen-to" version.

I have those Klems and greatly enjoy them.

I own every one of these recordings, and I agree they are references.

For the 1st Eliahu Inbal goes hand in hand with Kubelik, I think

My choice has been Chailly for Nos 2 & 9, Rattle the rest. Fascinating composer but the litmus test is - could I live without him? Oh yes indeed! He and Bruckner, Shostakovich, Berg, Schoenberg, Stravinsky, Stockhausen, Messiaen ... I mean, I've enjoyed Mahler - Nos. 2, 3 & 8 especially - there are staggering passages in the 5th & 9th (the latter's Rondo-Burleske nightmarish) but, had they never been encountered, my life would not have been poorer, no, not one iota. Whereas the opposite pertains with Schubert, Mozart, Haydn, Bach, Beethoven, Rachmaninov, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, M'ssohn, Brahms. Can't imagine life without them. That's the basic difference.

No 7th? 8th?

Very good for me is symphony 5 of Malher for Claudio Abbado whith Berlin and Chicago orchestres .

Gil I want to thank you for reviewing older, historical recordings.😊

On the one hand, I use a lot of suggestions and reviews to discover new recordings. On the other hand, I would never let any critic tell me how centuries-old music has to be played today in order to be considered a reference recording, and with which instruments. I find some pompous dogmatists of the so-called historically informed style particularly silly. There are wonderful recordings in different styles and from different periods.

NOW I HAVE MADE MY DAY LOL...............I have finally tracked down [ at last ] a copy of Adler doing Mahler's third.............and as a bonus I have also found and purchased a copy of Horenstein doing Mahler's first and its on SACD !

Dear Gil Many thanks for getting back on these beautiful horn concertos I was so delighted when I went to my LP shelves to find an LP of these by Dennis Brain with Karajan and the philharmonic orchestra (picture of the horn on red background) So it will be my evening listening I did not know about the other soloist so thank you Will seek that out

🧠 for sure

I have two vinyl editions of the Tuckwell / Maag / Ace of Diamonds; lovely smooth, honeyed tones - far superior to the Phillips Complete Ed which employs someone called Peter Damm

Agreed re it's unfinished form. Rather like Schubert's 8th it can't be improved on IMHO.

Klemperer's Brahms 1 is fabulous.

Dear Gil May I ask that in future time allowing of course you share your take on the horn concertos ?

Basically every good teams fight song is good?

Isn't it great we have fantastic streaming services like Idagio who offer a huge number of recordings of the same work by many different artists and ensembles? Just take your time to listen to as many of your favourite works as you like and form your own opinion. Of course this refers to your "favourite works" only as that grants you sufficient time to compare. I found 90 recordings of Beethoven's 9th symphony. Containing versions of one conductor with different orchestras and/or date of recording as well as some remastered versions of one work. In the case of the 9th more than fifty different recordings.

My dear Gil Did Ravel not conduct the Bolero himself in 1930 with the orchestre Lamoureux ? Any opinion on this ?

Adore Chung's recording of the 3rd. Glad to see it as the first recording highlighted.

If I may recommend another four: 1) Lina Tur Bonet/Musica Alchemica (This one just came out. It's soooo interpretively fascinating. I swear it sounds like you're hearing some pieces for first time). 2) Luka Faulisi/Orkiestra Historyczna (Full-on propulsive energy! Would make a lot other versions sound boring.) 3) Christian Li/Melbourne Symphony Orchestra (A return to the big band sound with an amazing prodigy on the violin) 4) Rachel Podger/Brecon Baroque (Got a lot of acclaim when it came out. Great period style) Gil, I'm curious if you've had a chance to listen to them and what you thought. Perhaps you could do a follow-up vid about a few more versions? :) BTW, what is the standard orchestral size for this piece? There seems to be a wide variety. Cheers!

Horenstein in number 5 is a fantastic reading. Right from the shimmering opening you know you are in for something special. Alfred Dukes, the New Philharmonia percussionist, is surely the most attacking snare drummer of all. It gripped me as a teenager and grips me still. The only slight snag is that Dukes enters a bar too early, realises his mistake, stops, then comes in again. Not a fatal error, but could it not have been patched later? There is also an audible 'clack' as he puts the drumsticks down in the coda... could that not have been mixed out? These reservations aside, this is not a recording to be ignored!

There is an unnecessary pause before the finale of #4 on the CD you help up. It is corrected on the Navigator edition (with #1) and in the Martinon box.

For the Violin Sonatas, I've been listening to Andrew Manze's 2-disc set, and it is outstanding.

Hi how about Bernstein in the 3rd, essential listening I would think even though I love Tuxen and Chung…I believe there is a version by Jensen as well…I love the Blomstedt on Decca and Ole Schmidt as well…

For me the best version ever heard of this work is that conducted by van Beinum with the Concertgebouw Orchestra, a very very exciting performance and in excellent sound remastered by Dutton Laboratories.

Full disclosure: I’m a Buckeye fan and I consider OSU-Miami the greatest title game ever. But … this might be higher if I’m being honest with myself.

There are gazillions of great Mozart recordings that are also pleasing to listen to, i.e. recorded in stereo. I’m never impressed by people who claim to like old recordings.

My dear Gil I wish you also shared as part of other marvelous chamber music ref recordings for The two sextets And the trios Any intent to do a video on these ?

Arkansas is so underrated. Hell they are all great. How can one not love college sports??

I'm unsure what your definition of 'reference' or 'consensus' is ...'people in the know'.... By those rather nebulous 'definitions', I could as easily cite Cantelli, Loughran, Paray, Wand, Barenboim, Kubelik, Kondrashin, none of whom you mention. I'd be more convinced if you gave your own honest opinion. Following 'people in the know' , i.e. the almost always wrong critics, is a counsel of despair.

i like classical music, all composers except mozart, as a matter of fact

Two alternate essential choices for you: the Grumiaux/Pelliccia/Davis Mozart Sinfonia Concertante and the Marcellus/Szell Mozart Clarinet Concerto. Although it isn't my favorite of the last six symphonies, I agree with you about the Walter set. I also agree with your choices for the operas although I'm a big fan of the Krips Don Giovanni. But I agree with you that the Giulini is the reference version.

I watched this a long time ago!!